On a lighter note - a very funny interchange - from Joe Rogan's podcast

Joe Rogan is a major media character, into wrestling and hunting and martial arts... this is a discussion on his podcast about mediation, Zen, and so on.... and it gets very funny when he and his guest start to chant a part of the heart sutra together.   I don't know who the guest is, but he studied eastern religions and tried to attend a short Zen retreat but left early.  Quite amusing....... Joe's podcast is heard by 11 million people.  The heart sutra stuff begins mid-way through... fun to listen to the whole thing actually.